Welcome back to Progressively Incorrect. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell, and today I am excited to bring you an interview with Jan Hasbrouck, the keynote speaker at NIFDI’s 2025 National Direct Instruction Conference and Institutes. Dr. Hasbrouck is a renowned researcher and author with a distinguished career dedicated to improving literacy and educational outcomes. Dr. Hasbrouck’s expertise in reading fluency and her involvement with Project Follow Through and Direct Instruction have been pivotal in improving results in schools across the country. Dr. Hasbrouck is also a founding member of Read Washington, a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing professional development based on the science of reading.

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