S5E02: Linda Diamond & Paige Pullen on Connecting Learning, Literacy, and Instruction

In this powerful episode, I’m joined by two of the most influential voices in literacy education today—Linda Diamond and Paige Pullen. With decades of experience in education, Linda and Paige bring clarity to the evidence-based education movement and the science of reading in particular.

Together, we dive into their framework of three interrelated sciences—Learning Science, Instructional Science, and Literacy Science—and discuss how these domains shape their approach to teaching, research, and policy. We also explore the concept of translational research, the critical bridge between scientific findings and classroom practice, and why it’s essential for educators navigating the “what works” landscape.

Throughout the episode, Linda and Paige emphasize the provisional nature of scientific knowledge and share strategies for staying grounded in evidence while remaining open to refinement. Whether you’re a classroom teacher, literacy coach, or district administrator, this episode delivers a candid, research-informed conversation about what it truly means to teach reading well—and why professional engagement, clarity, and scientific rigor matter more than ever.

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Suggested Resources by Linda and Paige

• Why Sufficient, Deliberate Practice Is a Critical Element of Literacy Learning and Retention (Link)
• Teaching Reading Sourcebook, 3rd Edition (Link)
• Siegfried Engelmann, a Life Well-Lived
• Eyes on Reading: Interview with Dr. Stanislas Dehaene and Emily Hanford (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4NWaTw36i8 )
• Explicit Instruction: Effective and Efficient Teaching by Anita Archer and Charles Hughes
• Just Tell Them, Zach Groshell
• Theory of Instruction, Siegfried Engelmann and Douglas Carnine
• How Learning Happens, Carl Hendrick and Paul Kirschner
• The Science of Learning, Deans for Impact (https://www.deansforimpact.org/tools-and-resources/the-science-of-learning)

Looking for great education books?

The podcast you’re listening to is sponsored by John Catt from Hachette Learning and hosted by Dr. Zach Groshell. John Catt publishes some of the best books in education, including my book, Just Tell Them: The Power of Explanations and Explicit Teaching.

Also, be sure to check out Greg’s books on Amazon, including his killer book, The Power of Explicit Teaching and Direct Instruction.

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